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		By: lupine52		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wolfhusky.net/duncan/wp/2010/12/baby-steps/#comment-8278&quot;&gt;lupine52&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p&gt;let me comment further by saying I support the idea of a man of cloth not having to do the ceremony.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do feel though that the certificate type to sign should be the same one.  If people wish to consider it a civil union because the ceremony took place in front of a justice of the peace thats their prejudice, however the documentation for legal purposes is whats important.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wolfhusky.net/duncan/wp/2010/12/baby-steps/#comment-8278">lupine52</a>.</p>
<p>let me comment further by saying I support the idea of a man of cloth not having to do the ceremony.</p>
<p>I do feel though that the certificate type to sign should be the same one.  If people wish to consider it a civil union because the ceremony took place in front of a justice of the peace thats their prejudice, however the documentation for legal purposes is whats important.</p>
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		By: lupine52		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I support the idea mainly because I don&#039;t feel a man of the cloth should feel obligated to have to do something that he feels is against his religious principles.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If that is the only difference, I am fine with civil union (domestic partnership) but it needs to carry with it the recognized term for spouse, that way organizations and the government can&#039;t beat the system by saying that spouses count but not partners or some other Bull Monkey.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support the idea mainly because I don&#8217;t feel a man of the cloth should feel obligated to have to do something that he feels is against his religious principles.</p>
<p>If that is the only difference, I am fine with civil union (domestic partnership) but it needs to carry with it the recognized term for spouse, that way organizations and the government can&#8217;t beat the system by saying that spouses count but not partners or some other Bull Monkey.</p>
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		By: rustitobuck		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 06:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I thought of you and Takaza first when I heard about the bill passing. You guys are sort of my mental model of gay marriage, a suburban couple who happen to be both men.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t really have a personal stake in this, and it&#039;s not likely it will directly affect me. I can totally respect your wish that they had called it Marriage, but I fear that could have prevented the bill from passing at all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m still pretty enthused. What does it all mean? Well, there&#039;s a lot of stuff said in the papers, so I made it my business to go read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&#038;SessionId=76&#038;GA=96&#038;DocTypeId=SB&#038;DocNum=1716&#038;GAID=10&#038;LegID=44423&#038;SpecSess=&#038;Session=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the actual bill&lt;/a&gt;, and in my humble non-lawyerly opinion, I&#039;m impressed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Under this bill, as far as Illinois is concerned, you guys are married, except for the M-word (section 5). If there&#039;s an Illinois law (regulation, policy, etc.) that applies to married couples, it applies to you (section 20). Your out-of-state marriage is recognized as a civil union in Illinois (section 60). The words are in there. You have my congratulations on your civil union!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Under a civil union, a gay couple could (heavens forbid!) get a divorce under the Illinois Dissolution of Marriage Act (a piece of law I know more of than I wish to) (section 45). That&#039;s pretty much like being married.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Absent a date in the bill, I&#039;m guessing the act becomes effective on June 1, 2011 according to section 10 of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lrb/con4.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Article IV&lt;/a&gt; of the Illinois Constitution.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Religious groups are so hung up on the word Marriage, I wish it could get unhooked from the language of the state. I don&#039;t like the idea that there&#039;s the idea of a second-class civil union behind a first class marriage, and any issues of &quot;sanctity&quot; seem to belong somewhere else other than in law. Give the M-word to the various churches, and civilly unify anybody who wants to, equally, and give them the same rights and status under law. In my opinion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still, it&#039;s steps. And for once, I can be proud of my state government.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought of you and Takaza first when I heard about the bill passing. You guys are sort of my mental model of gay marriage, a suburban couple who happen to be both men.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really have a personal stake in this, and it&#8217;s not likely it will directly affect me. I can totally respect your wish that they had called it Marriage, but I fear that could have prevented the bill from passing at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still pretty enthused. What does it all mean? Well, there&#8217;s a lot of stuff said in the papers, so I made it my business to go read <a href="http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&amp;SessionId=76&amp;GA=96&amp;DocTypeId=SB&amp;DocNum=1716&amp;GAID=10&amp;LegID=44423&amp;SpecSess=&amp;Session=" rel="nofollow">the actual bill</a>, and in my humble non-lawyerly opinion, I&#8217;m impressed.</p>
<p>Under this bill, as far as Illinois is concerned, you guys are married, except for the M-word (section 5). If there&#8217;s an Illinois law (regulation, policy, etc.) that applies to married couples, it applies to you (section 20). Your out-of-state marriage is recognized as a civil union in Illinois (section 60). The words are in there. You have my congratulations on your civil union!</p>
<p>Under a civil union, a gay couple could (heavens forbid!) get a divorce under the Illinois Dissolution of Marriage Act (a piece of law I know more of than I wish to) (section 45). That&#8217;s pretty much like being married.</p>
<p>Absent a date in the bill, I&#8217;m guessing the act becomes effective on June 1, 2011 according to section 10 of <a href="http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lrb/con4.htm" rel="nofollow">Article IV</a> of the Illinois Constitution.</p>
<p>Religious groups are so hung up on the word Marriage, I wish it could get unhooked from the language of the state. I don&#8217;t like the idea that there&#8217;s the idea of a second-class civil union behind a first class marriage, and any issues of &#8220;sanctity&#8221; seem to belong somewhere else other than in law. Give the M-word to the various churches, and civilly unify anybody who wants to, equally, and give them the same rights and status under law. In my opinion.</p>
<p>Still, it&#8217;s steps. And for once, I can be proud of my state government.</p>
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