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		By: animist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[animist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I attended two weddings in 2001 - yours and that of one of my nieces.  Of the two marriages, yours proved a lot more real than hers - which ended in a very nasty divorce and bankruptcy for both of them.  It&#039;s ridiculous that many people are so fearful about this issue that they cannot acknowledge that the state does not create a marriage - and that state certainly does not sanctify any marriage.  The state can, however, acknowledge the reality of modern relationships and encourage commitment and stability in people&#039;s lives regardless of their sexual orientation.  No one&#039;s marriage is threatened by another persons marriage.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended two weddings in 2001 &#8211; yours and that of one of my nieces.  Of the two marriages, yours proved a lot more real than hers &#8211; which ended in a very nasty divorce and bankruptcy for both of them.  It&#8217;s ridiculous that many people are so fearful about this issue that they cannot acknowledge that the state does not create a marriage &#8211; and that state certainly does not sanctify any marriage.  The state can, however, acknowledge the reality of modern relationships and encourage commitment and stability in people&#8217;s lives regardless of their sexual orientation.  No one&#8217;s marriage is threatened by another persons marriage.</p>
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		By: sumatrae		</title>
		<link>https://wolfhusky.net/duncan/wp/2008/11/on-proposition-8/#comment-6989</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sumatrae]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re gay?!?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;GET OUT!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Srsly, congrats.  From a former uptight conservative (OMG!)&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re gay?!?</p>
<p>GET OUT!</p>
<p>Srsly, congrats.  From a former uptight conservative (OMG!)</p>
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		By: gypsypet		</title>
		<link>https://wolfhusky.net/duncan/wp/2008/11/on-proposition-8/#comment-6988</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I was floored at the way the votes fell in CA.  FLOORED.  And as a comment above, it didn&#039;t occur to me to donate to a cause in another state (it&#039;s already been outlawed here), but I definitely will be next time it&#039;s on the ballot.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For the life of me I don&#039;t understand what the heck the problem is.  It&#039;s not like straight people are going to be kidnapped by  teh gays and forced into marriage or something.  I honestly don&#039;t understand that; but then again that goes to the heart of what I don&#039;t understand about a lot of peoples&#039; politics in this country.  So much concern in general about what other people do that doesn&#039;t affect anyone else.  Who cares?!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The arky case is concerning not only because it affects gay couples, but also SINGLE people, regardless of sexual identity or persuasion.  Not married?  Want a kid?  Can&#039;t have a kid on your own?  Oh man, sucks to be you.  Noneforyou!  How... ridiculous.  And again, who cares if a kid is raised by a single sex couple?  Two parents, stable home, caring and loving family.  Yeah, kids don&#039;t need that! /sarcasm&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry to spew crankiness all over your blog; this is a huge soapbox for me, even though I&#039;m in a hetero relationship.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s also that whole &quot;all men are created equal&quot; thing.  Seems like it would be a no-brainer, eh?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And FWIW, in my eyes, you guys are married. :)&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was floored at the way the votes fell in CA.  FLOORED.  And as a comment above, it didn&#8217;t occur to me to donate to a cause in another state (it&#8217;s already been outlawed here), but I definitely will be next time it&#8217;s on the ballot.</p>
<p>For the life of me I don&#8217;t understand what the heck the problem is.  It&#8217;s not like straight people are going to be kidnapped by  teh gays and forced into marriage or something.  I honestly don&#8217;t understand that; but then again that goes to the heart of what I don&#8217;t understand about a lot of peoples&#8217; politics in this country.  So much concern in general about what other people do that doesn&#8217;t affect anyone else.  Who cares?!</p>
<p>The arky case is concerning not only because it affects gay couples, but also SINGLE people, regardless of sexual identity or persuasion.  Not married?  Want a kid?  Can&#8217;t have a kid on your own?  Oh man, sucks to be you.  Noneforyou!  How&#8230; ridiculous.  And again, who cares if a kid is raised by a single sex couple?  Two parents, stable home, caring and loving family.  Yeah, kids don&#8217;t need that! /sarcasm</p>
<p>Sorry to spew crankiness all over your blog; this is a huge soapbox for me, even though I&#8217;m in a hetero relationship.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also that whole &#8220;all men are created equal&#8221; thing.  Seems like it would be a no-brainer, eh?</p>
<p>And FWIW, in my eyes, you guys are married. 🙂</p>
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		By: pinkleader		</title>
		<link>https://wolfhusky.net/duncan/wp/2008/11/on-proposition-8/#comment-6987</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I too am saddened and deeply disappointed that the bans of marriage were passed on such an otherwise wonderfully historic day. I hope your friend artyskox is right in that support will rally to recognize love. Thank you for posting that clip.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To me you and Dan are married, and I am so thrilled at your years of happiness, and hope they continue and deepen. And now I hope to work so that you and anyone else can marry, if that is your wish.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am saddened and deeply disappointed that the bans of marriage were passed on such an otherwise wonderfully historic day. I hope your friend artyskox is right in that support will rally to recognize love. Thank you for posting that clip.</p>
<p>To me you and Dan are married, and I am so thrilled at your years of happiness, and hope they continue and deepen. And now I hope to work so that you and anyone else can marry, if that is your wish.</p>
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		By: artyskox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;As sad as this occassion is, I think prop 8 passing might be -- in the long run.... hopefully -- something of a blessing in diguise.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No one would have really cared that much about anti gay marriage laws passing in other states -- but the fact it passed in California is the only one people are yelling about.  Now that it passed people are voicing their opinions strong, and as a new wave of government comes into play, I think the outrage over prop 8 might ultimately play a part in changing policy across the entire country. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While Prop 8 is disappointing, I think the Arkansas one is a bigger loss.  Prop 8 is sad, but it doesn&#039;t actually &#039;harm&#039; people in way Arkansas is .. from what I read.. taking about 400 adopted kids away from their foster families back into a foster home. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do want to thank you again for inviting me 7 years ago.  I&#039;m still not sure if I could go through with something to that level, but DB and I talk about it sometimes. &lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As sad as this occassion is, I think prop 8 passing might be &#8212; in the long run&#8230;. hopefully &#8212; something of a blessing in diguise.  </p>
<p>No one would have really cared that much about anti gay marriage laws passing in other states &#8212; but the fact it passed in California is the only one people are yelling about.  Now that it passed people are voicing their opinions strong, and as a new wave of government comes into play, I think the outrage over prop 8 might ultimately play a part in changing policy across the entire country. </p>
<p>While Prop 8 is disappointing, I think the Arkansas one is a bigger loss.  Prop 8 is sad, but it doesn&#8217;t actually &#8216;harm&#8217; people in way Arkansas is .. from what I read.. taking about 400 adopted kids away from their foster families back into a foster home. </p>
<p>I do want to thank you again for inviting me 7 years ago.  I&#8217;m still not sure if I could go through with something to that level, but DB and I talk about it sometimes. </p>
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		By: rustitobuck		</title>
		<link>https://wolfhusky.net/duncan/wp/2008/11/on-proposition-8/#comment-6985</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rustitobuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Wow, 7 years. You guys are so cute! How I cried.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not the biggest fan of marriage...for me. I know the downsides and the pain it can cause. Cynically, I&#039;ve been amazed that gays would want the benefits of marriage, like paying tens of thousands of dollars if it needs to end.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A short, easy think about it says that hey, if somebody wants to get married, let &#039;em.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was appalled that the voters of California, that progressive leader of a state, voted to take away a right. That the state collectively voted to end some marriages.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Olbermann&#039;s completely correct. He&#039;s obviously more emotional than I&#039;ve ever seen him be on TV. I watched this before going to work, and I got all misty eyed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It didn&#039;t occur to me to donate to a political campaign when I&#039;m not one of the citizens of that state, but I see that others have, and given the chance again, I&#039;d help out as I can.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need more love in this world.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, 7 years. You guys are so cute! How I cried.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the biggest fan of marriage&#8230;for me. I know the downsides and the pain it can cause. Cynically, I&#8217;ve been amazed that gays would want the benefits of marriage, like paying tens of thousands of dollars if it needs to end.</p>
<p>Still.</p>
<p>A short, easy think about it says that hey, if somebody wants to get married, let &#8217;em.</p>
<p>I was appalled that the voters of California, that progressive leader of a state, voted to take away a right. That the state collectively voted to end some marriages.</p>
<p>Olbermann&#8217;s completely correct. He&#8217;s obviously more emotional than I&#8217;ve ever seen him be on TV. I watched this before going to work, and I got all misty eyed.</p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t occur to me to donate to a political campaign when I&#8217;m not one of the citizens of that state, but I see that others have, and given the chance again, I&#8217;d help out as I can.</p>
<p>We need more love in this world.</p>
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		By: atara		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;*deleted scree about history of marriage and how inane anti-marriage advocates are, because it was like two pages long*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*hug* So I&#039;ll just say - total agreement with you.  (Oh, and I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen pics from your ceremony - thanks for sharing them! :)&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*deleted scree about history of marriage and how inane anti-marriage advocates are, because it was like two pages long*</p>
<p>*hug* So I&#8217;ll just say &#8211; total agreement with you.  (Oh, and I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen pics from your ceremony &#8211; thanks for sharing them! 🙂</p>
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		By: awfulhorrid		</title>
		<link>https://wolfhusky.net/duncan/wp/2008/11/on-proposition-8/#comment-6983</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;There actually are some &lt;a href=&quot;http://tarrestrial.livejournal.com/13686.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;local protests&lt;/a&gt; as well.  I was glad to perform that ceremony for you two 7 years(*) ago, but I&#039;d love for it to be as legally real as it is to you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(* - Holy Crap.  It really doesn&#039;t seem that long ago ...)&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There actually are some <a href="http://tarrestrial.livejournal.com/13686.html" rel="nofollow">local protests</a> as well.  I was glad to perform that ceremony for you two 7 years(*) ago, but I&#8217;d love for it to be as legally real as it is to you.</p>
<p>(* &#8211; Holy Crap.  It really doesn&#8217;t seem that long ago &#8230;)</p>
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		By: foxfeather		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m really, really sorry that bill passed. In the group of people I spend time with, it&#039;s easy to forget how many horribly close-minded people are out there. I think it&#039;s just a matter of time before things get changed for the better - there&#039;s an entire generation of people that will be exiting this world and hopefully a lot of their misplaced ideals will go with them. I see people changing their minds all the time. There is hope, and it just has to happen one person at a time.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really, really sorry that bill passed. In the group of people I spend time with, it&#8217;s easy to forget how many horribly close-minded people are out there. I think it&#8217;s just a matter of time before things get changed for the better &#8211; there&#8217;s an entire generation of people that will be exiting this world and hopefully a lot of their misplaced ideals will go with them. I see people changing their minds all the time. There is hope, and it just has to happen one person at a time.</p>
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		By: drew2u		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wolfhusky.net/duncan/wp/2008/11/on-proposition-8/#comment-6977&quot;&gt;unclekage&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p&gt;How much doubt was there on November 3rd or 4th that it wasn&#039;t going to pass, though? I think everyone was sure that, though it would probably be close, enough people had sense enough to vote against it.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wolfhusky.net/duncan/wp/2008/11/on-proposition-8/#comment-6977">unclekage</a>.</p>
<p>How much doubt was there on November 3rd or 4th that it wasn&#8217;t going to pass, though? I think everyone was sure that, though it would probably be close, enough people had sense enough to vote against it.</p>
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